Margarets supper song worries aides VANCOUVER (CP) About 10,000 people gathered at the Pacific National Exhibition Agrodome Sunday to protest increases in Autoplan insurance rates. The rally was organized by the British Columbia Federation of Labor and the Concerned Citizen's Association of B.C. Insurance Corp. of B.C. premium increases average 139 per cent in the Vancouver area. Male, unmarried drivers under the age of 23 face increases of about 300 per cent in their car insurance. B.C. Conservative Leader Scott Wallace, Liberal leader Gordon Gibson, former NDP health Minister Dennis Cocke and labor leaders told the crowd of their disapproval of the insurance Increases. The Social Credit government was not represented. by JAMES FKRHAHHH, Southnm News Services CARACAS, Venezuela - Margaret Trudeau has caused anxiety among Prime Minister Trudeau's aides after several undiplomatic performances in "public during the three-nation Latin American tour which ends Monday. Mrs, Trudeau, who brought the Trudeau's third son, threemonth-old Michel, provoked some ripples at the first stop on the tour, Mexico, when she gave a short, unscheduled speech at a Canadian reception for Mexican President Luis Echeverrla, and Mrs. Echcverria. Her speech alluded to International Women's Year, the need for women around the world to continue their work started last year, and ended with some praise for the Mexican president's wife. Later In the Mexican tour, at a day-long outing at the Palenque Ruina in the Interior of the country, Mrs. Trudeau left the official party touring the an Len Guy, secretary-treasurer of the federation, said the BCFL is sponsoring newspaper advertisements urging citizens to protest the rate increases to their local MLAs. Mr. Gibson said it is not too cient Mayan city to talk with a young couple from Vancouver, for more than half an hour. In Cuba, Mrs. Trudeau appeared In a Liberal Party Tshlrt at an outdoor rally addressed by Fidel Castro and Prime Minister Trudeau. The Incidents which most visibly upset the Trudepu aides, though, came Saturday night here at an official dinner given by the prime minister for Venezuelan President Carlos Andres Perez, and Mrs. Perez. When the prime minister arrived In the lobby of the Hilton Hotel where the dinner was taking place, Mrs. Trudeau stayed behind in the lobby and to talk to a group of people while her husband went into the dinner Asked to move into the dinner by Trudeau's executive assistant, Dob Murdoch, she was seen arguing with him. As she and Murdoch moved towards the dining room, the band had already struck up Oh Canada. Mrs. Trudeau stopped in the hall, stood at attention and then gave a muck salute in full view of hotel late for the government to re consider the increases. Some increase in premiums is necessary, he said, but bringing the Insurance Corp. of B.C. to the break-even point could be accomplished In a Fraser Lake, too FRASER LAKE About 100 persons attended a rally here Saturday protesting increases in ICBC auto insurance rates. The protesters, including some persons from Endako and Fort Fraser, converged on the Fraser Lake Shopping Centre at noon in a 30-car cavalcade. Archie Peters of Endako, one of the rally organizers, said he was "delighted" at the turnout for the 90-minute rally. "There were people of all ages and from all walks of life. This was a really broad-based protest," Peters said he and the other organizers plan to follow up the rally with a petition campaign. "We're going to keep after the government to bring auto insurance rates down to a reasonable level." "more humane and sensitive way." The crowd booed Mr. Gibson when he suggested that a special gas surtax be introduced to finance ICBC. He replied: "If you don't want to listen to me that's alright, but if you don't listen to economics, that's crazy. "Somebody has to pay." Mr. Cocke said a 21-year-old male driver of a 1975 sports car, without demerit points, will have to pay $1,700 for his 1976 insurance. Vancouver alderman Harr) Rankin warned that Social Credit's increase of auto insurance is "only the first attack on the people's standard of living" and predicted further inroads from B.C. Hydro, which he said would increase rates and cut back on transit services. guests and officials. Later Inside, she stood back from the line while official pictures were being taken and leaned against the wall, Finally, when the dinner was over she stood up and announced she would sing a song composed by herself in honor of Mrs, Perez. Prime ministerial aides would not comment on the Incidents, but they were clearly shaken by these public performances by Mrs. Trudeau. Mrs. Trudeau, 27, took no role In public life from the time she was married in 1971 until the 1974 election campaign when she spoke on behalf of her husband, travelled with him and turned out to be a key factor in that election. But three months later she was admitted to a Montreal hospital for several weeks for treatment for what she herself described as a nervous breakdown. Since then she has travelled with her husband In Europe and the Caribbean and spent 10 days with him at the Commonwealth Conference in Kingston, Jamaica last May. CARACAS (CP) - Prime Minister Trudeau said today that on occasion he was brutally frank in his talks last week with Cuban Premier Fidel Castro. He told a news conference that despite some possible misunderstanding in Canada, he would not change his mind about visiting Cuba if he had his Latin-American tour to do over again. In areas where he and Castro did not agree, he made Canada's position "quite clear," Trudeau said just before returning to Ottawa. "You could even say we were brutally frank on occasion." Some Venezuelan newspapers criticized Trudeau for being too cordial in his dealings with the Cuban leader during his threeday visit. One newspaper said Trudeau should have been "correct rather than cordial," "Nothing incorrect happened between us, I can assure you," Trudeau said. The prime minister added that the leaders of Mexico and Venezuela did not need leadership from him in deciding how to handle Communist Cuba. Mexico, like Canada, has maintained normal relations with Cuba during and after the 1959 Cuban revolution. "There may be some misunderstanding at home," Trudeau said. "But I will clear that up when I return, if it seems necessary." Trudeau indicated that his "brutally frank" discussions with Castro centred on Angola where thousands ol Cuban troops are aiding the Soviet-supported Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA). See also page 2 'Western' numbers: WINNIPEG (CP) - Eight ticket numbers, one worth $250,000, were picked Friday night in the preliminary draw of the Western Canada Lottery. The eight go into thj final draw at Edmonton Feb. 11, to be broadcast on the CTV network. At that time, in addition to the $250,000 winner, there will be a prize of $100,000, one of $50,000, and five of $25,000. Also drawn at Edmonton will be 21 additional numbers including another $250,000 grand prize, three of $25,000, seven of $10,000 and 10 of $1,000. The last four numbers drawn at Edmonton also will be the basis of additional prizes of $5,000 or $100, the total prize pot depending on the number of tickets sold. The current series of the Western Canada Lottery Is the first to use bearer-type tickets, which means the ticket holders will not be known until their claim coupons are turned in to the lottery foundation. The eight drawn Friday, when known, will be invited to the Edmonton ceremonies. Their numbers, and the provinces which sold the tickets, are as follows: 1578640. from B.C., 1776223, from B.C.; 2024083. from B.C.; 1486742. sold by mail order, 1235061, from Saskatchewan; 1595629, from B.C.; 2332620, from Alberta; and 1953407, from Alberta, TODAY i 9 MARGARET TRUDEAU . . . suppertime song RiwovAi BY any Psmn m mMmL OH, C.A., TRUST IE HARD STRICT, , mUTISH 60UWNMA Sign told story today that Ginter's brewery has been closed. GUARANTEE OF SANK LOAN G inter wants gov't backing by JAN-UDO WENZEL Citizen Staff Reporter Industrialist Ben Ginter will seek the help of four governments in his fight against the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. The bank last week appointed a receiver for all of Ginter's holdings in B.C., Alberta and Manitoba because of Ginter's inability to pay a demand note in the amount of $3.9 million. Ginter said the loan only amounts to $3.6 million and he could raise enough to pay it if the governments would guarantee the loan for a few months. Harold Sigurdson, of Dun-woody and Co, Vancouver, was appointed receiver for Ginter's B.C. enterprises, including his Prince George brewery. Other members of the same firm were appointed in Alberta and Manitoba. Ginter said Sunday that Sigurdson was the receiver of the brewery when he bought it in 1962. He represented the same bank, Ginter said. Ginter explained that the brewery, then owned by Canadian Breweries Ltd., now Cartings, had been placed in receivership and then-Mayor Garvin Dezell of Prince George with the support of the local hotelmen, urged Ginter to purchase the brewery. "It was the only secondary industry in the city in those days and I bought it and saved a lot of jobs," Ginter said. He felt this was his first mistake and the big Canadian breweries did not like it. "I stepped into a field which was reserved for those born with silver spoons in their mouths. They have been trying to break me ever since," Ginter said. He also said he paid the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce about $380,000 for the purchase of Mission Hills Winery in Westbank, when that enterprise had been In receivership. "The bank is charging me up to 18 per cent on the current loan which they called within half-an-hour, Ginter said, claiming that after appointing the receiver this interest rate was lowered to 14 per tent, "I feel the bank should have given me 30 to 60 days notice and I could have sold some of my assets without losing any jobs. How could anyone come up with such an amount in half an hour?" Ginter said. But he feels the pressure by Labatt's Ltd. was behind the bank's move. He said he had been approached to sell his Richmond properties to Labatts and the Prince George brewery had been inspected by representatives of the Ontario-based firm. Ginter did not sell. Meanwhile, Ginter said the Prince George brewery is sold pending approval of the receiver. He declined to name the party which purchased the property at a price of $2.5 million. Spokesmen for Labatt's in Ontario said on the weekend they were not aware of any moves to purchase Ginter's breweries. Now Ginter hopes for help from the three provincial governments as well as from Ottawa. He said the Federal Business BEN GINTER . down the drain? Development Bank had offered help, but it would take some time before money would be forthcoming. Ginter wants the governments to guarantee the bank loan until he is able to sell enough property to pay off the loan. If he gets this guarantee, he said, he hopes the bank will accept it. "Because if the bank does not accept government guarantee, it is obvious that the bank is being pressured,4' he said. Three representatives of the receiver arrived in Prince George and served papers on Ginter's local executives. "They also changed the locks at the brewery and the construction offices," one Ginter employee said. Having representatives of the receiver at all of his properties cost him between $4,000 and $5,000 a day, Ginter claimed. But problems with the bank are only one aspect of Ginter's current trouble. Since last June, production was halted in B.C. at all of Ginter's enterprises because of a labor dispute. The Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union said Ginter reneged on a promise to re-employ 24 workers at a new See GINTER, page 2 CUben photo by Lm Teniae! KAMLOOPS, B.C. (CP) Five members of a city family died today when fire destroyed their home on the outskirts of this south-central British Columbia community. Names were not released. A police spokesman said the dead are a husband and wife and their three children. OTTAWA (CP) The Supreme Court of Canada decided today to hear two appeals which might have a direct impact on northern resource exploration and development. It will hear the appeal of three public interest groups which say that Marshall Crowe, National Energy Board chairman, might be biased, and that of the Indian Brotherhood of the Northwest Territories which is trying to claim 400,000 square miles of the territory. OTTAWA (CP) The com-pany operating duty-free shops at Montreal's Dorval and Mirabel International Airports today filed suit for $250,000 against Conservative MP Elmer MacKay and three members of the party's research office, alleging defamatory libel In a comparison of prices at the shops. 10,000 protest ICBC rates CUBAN TRIP Trudeau talks "brutally frank' FEATURED INSIDE i Fire destroyed 18 stores in an Abbotsford shopping centre Sunday. Page 3. Police have few leads in the weekend theft of 1 19 paintings by Picasso. Page 5. At least three people died during a fire in an old Winnipeg apartment building. Page 2. The Prince George Mohawks have taken command in the race for top spot in the Cariboo Hockey League and the Spruce Kings have tied Quesnel for second in the Peace Cariboo Junior Hockey League. Page 15. The final procedure to change the sex of a prison inornate took place at a B.C. hospital. Page 7. Business, 8; Classified, 18-25; Editorial, 4; Home and Family, 10; Horoscope, 12; International, 5; Local and Provincial, 3, 6, 7; National, 2; Sports, 15-17, Television, 11. c THE WEATHER The warm temperatures of the past week were expected to break slightly today as a cool arctic air mass moves south. Sunshine was expected this afternoon, changing to snow flurries overnight. The high today, 3 ; the low tonight, -8. Tuesday's high -4. Sunday's high was 4 ; the low was 1, Temperatures during January were above normal and, for the past week, above freezing. The weatherman said the mean temperature for the month was -6.2 compared to the average mean of -11.3 for most years. Daytime highs were above freezing for half the month. The high for Feb. 2, 1975, was 46; the low was -22. J ( NOW HEAR THIS ) Prince George residents should enjoy the unseasona bly balmy weather while it lasts. Phil, the groundhog who made Punxsutawney, Penn., famous, emerged from an eiectricaily-neated burrow and saw his shadow Sunday a sure sign ot six more weeks ol winter. Phil has been con suited for the last 25 years by the Punxsutawney Ground hog Club. No groundhogs were reported stirring in Prince ueorge Between 100 and 150 lives could be saved lit.tt.C, each year if seat-belt use was made compulsory, according to Peter Roche, local spokesman for the Consumers' Association of Canada. Roche, who is spearheading a petition campaign in Prince George for a mandatory seat-belt law, also estimates that such a law would result in an annual saving to the province of more than $25 million in medical costs,